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popcap200 - April 29, 2008 12:15 AM (GMT)
- The Infantry should be in squads of up to 9 so they may all fit in the stryker
-There should either be an upgrade that changes The infantry from ary to marines or two different units both recruitible from the barracks.
-There should be improved accuracy and range.
-There should be a Predator strike(Armed aerial UAV) :)
-There Should be an upgrade for the sniper to give them a M107.

:ph43r: (This is my first post) :ph43r:

MonkeySoldier - April 29, 2008 10:06 AM (GMT)
1) A squad of nine people is just too big. The U.S. is concentrated on small, highly trained squads. While the Chinese have bigger squads but with less accuracy.

2) I don't really see the use of having both Marines and Rifleman in one barrack. If their only difference is accuracy and range, I don't really see the use of it.

3) There already are alot of strikes so far, so its better to have just a recon UAV. (there is no shortage of firepower)

4) It's better to have it as an ability. A .50 cal sniper is mainly for soft skin/ lightly armoured vehicles. There already are good anti infantry sniper rifles (Accuracy International Arctic Warfare sniper rifle)

Oh, and welcome to the forums. :D

wiseone9 - May 2, 2008 01:37 AM (GMT)

1) the marines could have different abilities like fire-up. also, they could move faster in water(no speed reduction) Finally, they would have a little more health.

so i think marines as a seperate unit would be cool (and useful on water maps)t

MonkeySoldier - May 6, 2008 10:34 AM (GMT)
Hmmm.....Got any other suggestions that will make them more unique compared to standard rifleman? If they only got that ability, they're nothing more then rifleman with a different skin and the ability to run for like 10 seconds. If you got some creative idea's, i'd like to hear them. :D

DJammyRasta - May 6, 2008 02:14 PM (GMT)
American special forces are pretty much an amalgamation of all the other heavy inf in the game really

small squads,
smg's/assault rifles as standard
demolitions
possibly some kind of stealth (not ninja smoke)
fireup


As for things a bit more original how about allowing them to inspire other nearby units

increase the accuracy of airstrikes by laser pointing the target (making the cloak vital)

how about the ability to sabotage vehicles? (like a cross between a sticky bomb and a demo charge)

umm assassinate individual units maybe?

then we have the whole come in via water or littlebird

snipedya99 - May 7, 2008 06:54 PM (GMT)
well just an idea about the marines.. why not give them the ability to cross rivers/lakes..

maybe give them the ability to spend 10 seconds building craft and then be able to cross in them, to go with the marine name!!!!

popcap200 - June 4, 2008 12:25 AM (GMT)
The Marine infantry men are more tough than army infantry men

MonkeySoldier - June 5, 2008 02:47 PM (GMT)
Yes, but that doesn't has any gameplay wise advantages.

Baker3 - June 7, 2008 06:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (popcap200 @ Jun 4 2008, 12:25 AM)
The Marine infantry men are more tough than army infantry men

With all due to respect. Prove your statement.

MonkeySoldier - June 7, 2008 11:37 AM (GMT)
/off topic: I think he meant the basic training for a Marine is harder compared to a normal G.I. /off topic/
Shall we try to stay on-topic? :)

impi - June 12, 2008 10:33 AM (GMT)
What if we make it this way:

Normal status = Army men (G.I. ?)
vet status = Marines
next level = Airborne infantry
last level = Delta squad

As in COH no large scale armies fight, this makes sense to me. What dou you think?

MonkeySoldier - June 12, 2008 02:39 PM (GMT)
And by the end you got loads of Delta squads. I'll see if there's something which would fit for Marines. But I can't promise anything. About the vet thing, you know that we want to keep the original CoH gameplay and feeling. (except it's in a modern 'sauce') And it wouldn't make real sense if they would become a completely different unit just by some experience.

impi - June 12, 2008 04:52 PM (GMT)
Just an idea as the Germans in the original COH have that vet thing. And anyway, they donīt have to "turn" into a new unit. Just the new units you build could be the upgraded one?

Baker3 - June 26, 2008 06:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (impi @ Jun 12 2008, 10:33 AM)
What if we make it this way:

Normal status = Army men (G.I. ?)
vet status = Marines
next level = Airborne infantry
last level = Delta squad

As in COH no large scale armies fight, this makes sense to me. What dou you think?

You know Airborne is the Army right.
Delta squad is unheard of now. Not then not never.

Use spec ops; Rangers, Special Forces.

About the marines, there were no marines in COH.
Stick to the Army.

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I think what your trying to imply is.
(With some adds of my own)

Barracks :
Infantryman(11B)-Expert in movement to contact, close combat with the enemy.

Combat Engineers(21B)-Everything needed to be an engineer. Set up buildings, repair bridges, demolitions, and etc etc....

Calvary Scout(19D)-Reconnaissance. Able to call in artillery.

"Vet Status"- Improves teamwork ability and maneuverability. Operates more inefficiently.

Special Abilities: Ground Forces
82nd Airborne-Black hawk insertion, parachute in what ever.

Special Forces-Elite fighting force, deploys out of buildings anywhere on the map you require them.





MonkeySoldier - June 26, 2008 10:50 AM (GMT)
Are you in the militairy yourself, or do you just like researching militairy stuff? (we don't need any researchers or so, just wondering..;))

Baker3 - June 27, 2008 06:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (MonkeySoldier @ Jun 26 2008, 10:50 AM)
Are you in the militairy yourself, or do you just like researching militairy stuff? (we don't need any researchers or so, just wondering..;))

Army Reserves.

impi - June 27, 2008 10:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Baker3 @ Jun 26 2008, 06:42 AM)

You know Airborne is the Army right.
Delta squad is unheard  of now. Not then not never.

Use spec ops; Rangers, Special Forces.

About the marines, there were no marines in COH.
Stick to the Army.



Just an idea, as paratroopers are better trained than "normal" infantry, as far as I know.

What do you mean with the Delta Squad? Iīm not native English speaker...

Well, but the Marines fight nearly everywhere...and it is always said, that they are the "best trained infantry men in the world". Of course this i a matter of Pov...

Baker3 - June 27, 2008 02:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (impi @ Jun 27 2008, 10:10 AM)
QUOTE (Baker3 @ Jun 26 2008, 06:42 AM)

You know Airborne is the Army right.
Delta squad is unheard  of now. Not then not never.

Use spec ops; Rangers, Special Forces.

About the marines, there were no marines in COH.
Stick to the Army.



Just an idea, as paratroopers are better trained than "normal" infantry, as far as I know.

What do you mean with the Delta Squad? Iīm not native English speaker...

Well, but the Marines fight nearly everywhere...and it is always said, that they are the "best trained infantry men in the world". Of course this i a matter of Pov...

1. Yes, but to be specific anyone in the Army may request airborne school whether their Infantry or not.

There is no telling that airborne and normal infantry is better, it never really occurs that much at all.
Since this is COH though. It seems right for airborne to be more experienced.
"better trained"

2. Let me re say that, Delta Force.

3.I really love seeing how everyone thinks that.

Army:Infantry
Basic+AIT=OSUT (One Station Unit Training)
The whole process is 13 weeks long.

That is only "Normal Infantry". You can push your self as far as you can in the army. Airborne,Ranger,Special Forces. The training never stops.
Training could actually last up to 2 or 3 years.

Marine:Infantry
Boot camp
13 weeks long.

"Normal Infantry". Thats it, your done.
No airborne no nothing.

With all due to respect anyway. I love all of our military.
One Team, One Fight.

impi - June 27, 2008 04:09 PM (GMT)
I still didnīt get what you want me to tell about the Delta Force...Do you mean you will not include them in the mod?...

Baker3 - June 27, 2008 04:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (impi @ Jun 27 2008, 04:09 PM)
I still didnīt get what you want me to tell about the Delta Force...Do you mean you will not include them in the mod?...

I'm saying Delta Force is unheard of now. Super secret, only select few know who they really are. No point in adding in something you don't have actual informations on them.




I can't tell you if it will or it won't. Its up to the mod team.

impi - June 27, 2008 07:59 PM (GMT)
Ahhh ok^^

Baker3 - June 27, 2008 08:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (impi @ Jun 27 2008, 07:59 PM)
Ahhh ok^^

:)

Oneilc818 - July 2, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
To be completely honest the marines and army infantry (if they bother putting both in which i doubt they will) should not have different stats, like one having longer range or higher accuracy, but should have different abilities or upgrades. maybe one is able to call in an a10 or for a JDAM bomb ability to blow up bridges buildings or vehicles.

Baker3 - July 3, 2008 05:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Oneilc818 @ Jul 2 2008, 03:43 PM)
To be completely honest the marines and army infantry (if they bother putting both in which i doubt they will) should not have different stats, like one having longer range or higher accuracy, but should have different abilities or upgrades. maybe one is able to call in an a10 or for a JDAM bomb ability to blow up bridges buildings or vehicles.

lol

MonkeySoldier - July 3, 2008 09:33 AM (GMT)
Yeah, that would be so easy to balance. <_< Why not give every infantry squad the ability to drop a JDAM or an A10 strike? (sorry, just had to say it)

Darkbladecr - July 3, 2008 10:49 AM (GMT)
Haha yea and the chienese could have cloning so their infentry are dirt cheap :P

Oneilc818 - July 3, 2008 06:56 PM (GMT)
lol yeah that would be very hard to balance, what im trying to say is that you cant make one branch of the military crap and the other amazing. make it strategic so that there are different infantry for different jobs. not one type can shoot long range and one is CQB

Oneilc818 - July 3, 2008 07:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Oneilc818 @ Jul 3 2008, 06:56 PM)
lol yeah that would be very hard to balance, what im trying to say is that you cant make one branch of the military crap and the other amazing. make it strategic so that there are different infantry for different jobs. not one type can shoot long range and one is CQB

after more thought maybe it can only be done by officers, and only after it has been unlocked through the tiers

Darkbladecr - July 3, 2008 07:34 PM (GMT)
although then it would have to be doctrine specific, just like the officer off map arty done by the brits in COH OF

Oneilc818 - July 4, 2008 03:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Darkbladecr @ Jul 3 2008, 07:34 PM)
although then it would have to be doctrine specific, just like the officer off map arty done by the brits in COH OF

Yeah that's what i was going at

Darkbladecr - July 4, 2008 03:46 PM (GMT)
then it is a possible action to take, although I really wouldn't want the americans to have a set up like the british in OF, because their whole force relies on their officer. I would love to see the offcier like the Axis one. So he can assign a bombing run just like the other can do a mortor bombardment, and instead of supervising a building he can supervice a squad that makes it a lot better, and then there could be heroic charge ability after reaching lvl 1 or 2.

Although the mod can't add models to COH yet can it? Because relic have still not released their model exporter program, right?

Oneilc818 - July 7, 2008 11:06 PM (GMT)
how about an ability like using an AT4 AST (anti structure tandem)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lm0azEG0CPY&feature=related

or an AT4 CS (confined space)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7IH5nFAi16E

watch the videos there really cool, and seeing as they are

here are some other things to look at:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wHf_vMd5MOQ&feature=related -XM307
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEex2UChBtw&feature=related- Kriss .45
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n-8R8qeWi4U&fea...lated-Recoiless shotgun
http://youtube.com/watch?v=48lsiZR9TZs&feature=related EMP( finally something for the Chinese)

unfortunately these would be hard to balance

Baker3 - July 8, 2008 05:04 AM (GMT)
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how about an ability like using an AT4 AST (anti structure tandem)

Nah, don't see why we need this in COH. Be alot more entertaining to see a barrage of arty go down on it.
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an AT4 CS (confined space)

Its COH.
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-XM307

Looks interesting.
Just use the MK19..
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Kriss .45

Both Marine and Army use M4 or M16.
Then again its not my decision what gets what.
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shotgun

Looks interesting. It seems suitable with the Combat Engineers.
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EMP( finally something for the Chinese)

Why would this go to the Chinese? Not even their project.
This doesn't even have to do anything with Infantry either.

impi - July 8, 2008 10:13 AM (GMT)
EMP for the Chinese reminds me of C&C Generals lol :D

Oneilc818 - July 11, 2008 05:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (impi @ Jul 8 2008, 10:13 AM)
EMP for the Chinese reminds me of C&C Generals lol :D

exactly plus everything i find interesting that might go into this game would go to the Americans which just seams unfair, the Chinese have lots of cool tech out there we just need to find it and post a chinese infantry forum. maybe an emp strike would be a lot for a COMPANY of heroes ? ;)

impi - July 14, 2008 10:37 AM (GMT)
Is it possible to code EMP in COH?

DeadKennyIsDead - July 16, 2008 11:51 AM (GMT)
It wont happen, even if it was possible

MonkeySoldier - July 18, 2008 09:06 PM (GMT)
The Kriss submachine gun is just some experimental weapon, and I doubt it will be used by the U.S. Army or any other branch.

Lt Apollo - August 13, 2008 11:38 PM (GMT)
just one thing, when you do the US Army remember a lot of stuff that signifies the US Army isn't in use any more.

like the Forest Camo. it may be used every where else but it is not actively used in the US Army and has been replaced with the UCP (Universal camo Pattern) along with all the army's camo just 4 years ago.

the PASGT helmet that basically signifies the US Army isn't in use any more and is being replaced by the MICH TC-2000

a lot of equipment that is usually associated with the army is now been replaced. even the Humvee is now being replaced by the more efficient
MTVR. even the Humvee still in service have gone through extensive modification since the Iraq war began. you need to be updated on the current version of equipment the US Army uses or you will end up with last century equipment that looks modern.


Darkbladecr - August 14, 2008 01:07 AM (GMT)
well if we have already done most of our things. I'm sure that we will update everything that we haven't done.and when we have the time.

But anyway thanks for the heads up ;)



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